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well i left a mark. i. think. the really the if you. did you know the press is the only industry specifically mentioning the constitution. that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy schreck health risks. that are you know i'm sorry and on this show we reveal the picture of what's actually going on we go beyond identifying the truth rational debate and real discussion critical issues facing america i'm ready to join the movement and welcome the big picture. oh i'm telling our been in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture one of the nation's largest
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insurance companies is tricky and it's customers making them think they can't keep their health care plans under obamacare when they really can so republicans all up in arms and holding hearings about the real controversy surrounding obamacare that and more in tonight's big picture rubble and two thirds of american kids with a.d.h. d. take drugs like ritalin and adderall the help of focus medication really help a serious old and ellen little and it's conversations. you need to know this during an interview with n.b.c. news thursday president obama apologized to those americans who are going to lose their current health care plans under obamacare. and i am sorry that they. you know are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from
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me we've got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear him and. we're going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position as a consequence of this later on in that interview the president said that he personally takes responsibility for the glitchy rollout of the healthcare dot gov website. i am deeply frustrated about how this website has not worked over the first couple of weeks and. you know i take responsibility of my team takes responsibility of that and we are working every single day twenty four seventh's to improve it and it's better now than it was last week and it's certainly a lot better and it was on october first. this actually isn't the first time a president has found himself in hot water over the bumpy launch of a major health care program ironically back in two thousand and six george w. bush was heavily criticized for how is administration handled the rollout of
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medicare part d. in two thousand and six however democrats who like today's republicans were a minority party at the time decided to play along and help the president out they offered constructive solutions and as a result medicare part d. is still up and running most people are quite happy with it the opposite has happened with today's republicans and obamacare they've done everything they can to use obamacare as problems as an excuse to try to sabotage the entire program all while refusing to offer any real solutions of their own new jersey congressman bill pascrell reflected on the two parties different reactions at a recent hearing on capitol hill. are democrats opposition to part d. ten years ago. we committed to making the best of the program we lost the policy fight and what did we do we went back to our districts and we told our
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seniors although we voted no we're we personally believe it will work with the bush administration to make it work that's what we did and how many of you stood up to do that what are you going to do about the approximately seventeen million children with preexisting conditions who could no longer be denied health insurance coverage represented pascrell has a good point what are republicans going to do that's rumble. joining me for tonight's big picture rumble where he knew where the national advisory council of project twenty one black leadership network nicole williams democratic strategist and attorney and matt purple assistant managing editor at the american spectator great to see you all it's. ok so let's start out you know obamacare isn't perfect these plans in many cases what's happening is any plan that
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existed in two thousand and ten when at the end of two thousand and ten i guess the beginning of two thousand and one obamacare was implemented no matter how bad it was if the insurance companies didn't change it you could still keep it so what the president said back in two thousand and two thousand and two thousand it was true at that time but what the insurance companies are doing is they've been changing the plans and not telling people that hey we're going to make your plan on obamacare comply and. they're blaming it on obama in fact there's a lawsuit california's anthem blue cross is being sued by two customers the customers alleges who allege that they were tricked into dropping their health insurance when they could actually have kept their plans under obamacare the lawsuit states that blue cross successfully enticed tens of thousands of its individual policyholders to switch out of their grandfathered health plans and forever lose their protected grandfather status blue cross concealed information about the consequences of shift switching plans and intentionally misled its policy whole policyholders to encourage the replacement of grandfathered policies so
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where's do i so when we need. that really you know you got to be outraged about this and i am outraged about obamacare actually but now let's start off with the paternalism so basically what you're saying is is that some paternalism absolutely basically what you're saying is that the american people aren't smart enough to figure out that they are getting bogus insured you have more thread to health insurance policy yes i've read my you know if you have. this you. read the whole thing i point oh yeah it was not very doing it would produce the right things or read a self-insurance well look look at it like this you're saying that all these plans don't take here people don't take care of the poor. when there's catastrophic. and what not but the problem i have is that why not leave it to the american people to make that determination and are you saying that all of what thirty million people now are finding themselves without health insurance just had bogus plans and they
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weren't able to figure it out on their own thirty million who are changing more and they were three to five million. there's forty seven million who have no health insurance at all so the number maybe our numbers are well for you know there was a time when we sold cars where the brakes maybe they worked maybe they didn't but and we all decided that's kind of stupid but let's make sure the brakes work what you're saying is the president came out in said you can keep your car that has no brakes and he wasn't on that was a smart i will give you that and he apologized for that nicolay that is correct i mean why and you know out of the huge population that has insurance in this only affects those who have purchased individual insurance and who are not insured through their employer it's roughly five percent of that population already that is being affected by this and it's related to you know plans that went into effect after july two thousand and ten or plans that do not meet the requirements of obamacare the simple requirements of not being dropped because you have some
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catastrophic illness the same category you know if you're paying fifty dollars a month for health care and if you get sick you're going to get dropped that that's their health care so no it's not going to. jump in here yet you can't plausibly compare a car without brakes to somebody who decides i don't want mental health care on my health insurance plan because i can't afford it or you know you don't want to think that we need a president of the armistice of five no it's not it's a choice to do personal choice and what you're telling them on the other hand it's . decided that we want this on your health care plan because we're the government and therefore you know this is what we want what you have to pay for and what it wasn't for it regardless of whether or not you can afford to call and that was offered to address the individuals who happy's mental issues to get the help so we don't have the same effect that we had in connecticut with guns and shooting because of a mental defect that we don't have the same issue that we have with a woman here in d.c. trying to run into the white house because she had some type of postpartum depression and that's what we're trying to prevent that is going to stop shootings
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i mean that's that's going to be a well somehow this is going to stop if you may well this is going what's wrong with this is going to drive up people's premiums that's what this is going to do and we need to make that clear the subsidies are not going to cover this we're going to add to the debt anyway so that's another problem that we don't want to do it all because this is the you know the republican scored this is revenue neutral and it's actually turning out to be minus revenue and we're actually saving money in this program even upwards and how long in the long run this is just again they keep bringing it on every single time this thing is not going to bend the cost curve downwards it's going to have nothing to those obviously me and so he sold us from a heritage foundation is just totally oh and i want to move on to another topic but i'm just curious you guys particular math and here you guys are so opposed to this what's your alternative all the g.o.p. gave great grace of alternatives when this debate first started to go so if you do get sick die quick tort reform so we hope you and your life is only worth
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a quarter million dollars that's what you get paid the u.k. has a loser pay as a loser pay since you know when you want to drag. it did not do anything i mean i didn't know they had to defer texas had had had major premium decreases in health insurance costs for those that were assured in texas i don't know maybe we're reading from a different bag i'll just i'll just say this because that is a very difficult question to answer what you do in its place i think in this country we've made a cultural decision that we want to keep old people around for a very long time right is something we. we treasure we put a premium on the right attorney is the death panel no no absolutely not sure it's covered already have no doubts that all death panels argument i'm absolutely not i'm saying if we decide that this is you know culturally what we want to do we have to be willing to pay more for health insurance that's just something we have to accept aren't let's let's let's move on to sixty minutes and ghazi this is you know darrell i says been trying to figure out a way that he can take down hillary clinton before she even pops up. sixty minutes seemed to give him some ammunition a week or so ago when they did this piece where this guy said oh you know i was
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there and it was a. actually here's a clip. you know the most important thing to every person at sixty minutes is the truth and today the truth is that we made a mistake and that to that's very disappointing for any journalist it's very disappointing for me nobody likes to admit that they made a mistake but if you do you have to stand up and take responsibility and you have to say that you were wrong and in this case we were wrong now based on those wrong report lindsey graham said that he's going to block all of president obama's judicial nominations and presumably cabinet nominations although i don't think there's any and even right now the tweeted this is a time for lindsey graham to apologise and for that matter is it time for sixty minutes to come out now that we know that they were actually dan rather was actually right about george w. bush going to a wall from texas air national guard during time of war which is by definition in the uniform code of military justice desertion. now that we know is time for sixty
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minutes to apologize to dan rather one minute i'd like to lindsey graham to apologize for trying to send us to war in syria but i don't think we're going to get that he's been trying to block these nominations forever what i'm most surprised about with this story is apparently they spent a year trying to get this right you know a year's worth of research went into this apparently this guy was completely you know full of it they should have seen this you're going to find interactor i mean i'll does this but this is what happens when you rely on private industry i hope. i'm glad that they apologized but it shouldn't ever happen to be get by. i mean i understand they were trying to do their due diligence but you know i'm not going to say there was a conspiracy theory since the guy's book with also through a publishing house with c.b.s. . your thoughts on this is a time for generalized that i just back up and go home and now. has a function a very important function but the thing that is important here is that while this mr davies has and has credibility problems obviously we still need to be trying to focus on making sure we hold the right people accountable right guy would be
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hillary clinton we got to figure out a way to do it in the sun hillary we can't get more of a big picture rubble right after the break. people are interesting but he has something to say everybody. on the potomac person want to sit next to an airport. i mean there's always in the was and. that's where there was a ballet dancer a ballplayer. those things that are clues to this is just things i think about. him or another. for a little it was a relief very hard to take i don't. want to get a long. life have you ever had sex with her take care.
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the other bags it's a nice big picture rubble joining me here in your call williams and met purple complete with purple shirt i salute you sir all right on thursday do you have we're going to talk about that and all that's what i did that summer i really sorry i was over the wall by the f.d.a. has announced that they are removing trans fats from the what's called the gras list you can generally regard as safe the gras list as you know if you're on this list then you can be put into the american food supply. and you know nobody thinks twice about there's some things that have to be labeled as as you know being late transferred some facts recently had to be labeled but they were still considered grass or generally gardens safe now or not and the doings they estimate will provide twenty thousand heart attacks and seven thousand deaths from heart disease
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every year. doesn't this prove that michael bloomberg was right there was all this sturm in fact i think you you and i went out you know good battle on this thing a year ago when michael bloomberg said no trans fats in new york and you were going oh man the spirit right absolutely right and i was wrong still believe it is we were getting into that paternalism that was talking about before but i mean it makes sense but people who are on this is like lead in lead paint i'm going to give you i'm going to. lead paint you know you can't paint doesn't taste good lead paint actually lead and they lead in paint makes it taste sweet that's why kids eat it i have to go back go home and check that out but the problem is that still we're taking decisions away from the individual that you know the conservative meat always gets nervous hopefully the individual is going to make you know microcosm micro decisions that are not only do we need to learn how to balance
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a checkbook we also need to be food chemists be a food chemist is the late we have labels right there on the back zero chance fabric that's fifty grams let's decide what actually the standard is if that's less than a quarter gram per serving it can be labeled as zero abuse and this quarter grams it up fat things are primarily in things like donuts margarine things that we. know we already know that and you know the justification is being put forward for this is well it has no nutritional value whatsoever trans fats and it raises your cholesterol right it can learn how to do it but you also have a restaurant who are allowed to offer a thorough food with these trant that those are enough to thoroughly label when you're right i'm just going to say if we take this to its far this extent. candy for example has no nutritional value it can only do bad to you why should the f.d.a. not ban snickers bars for back in one thousand nine hundred eighty four i wrote a book for a one of the two major cereal companies which shall remain unnamed which i know i'm going to burn in hell for because i went out to fifty million schoolchildren titled
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sugar the essential nutrient. our bodies are on sugar i can tell you that that's what got me out of the advertising industry and really did i just i couldn't sleep but but i disagree this is not just a harmless or a nutrition free this is actually poisonous they take they take frats they bubble there is a day eight hundred degrees fahrenheit and bubble hydrogen through it so the hydrogen molecules fill the holes in the in the fats that normally would be used to transport poisons and things out of our bodies i mean the reason it was created is so that products would have a longer shelf life i mean that was part of the benefit to this you know for the businesses that were making the food products but it's not necessary you can still make these products with regular animal fat with you know that's to boil olive oil these products can still exist you can still have a twenty you can still have you don't know they just won't be able to stay on the shelf or year to get the kind of amusing part about this is that these things were originally touted by kind of health you know people who wanted more health and food
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as an alternative to saturated fat in the nineteen alternatives a lot of them right out as being this is the great help as you can scale it's wonderful right years later turns out i'm fine evolves then you know we learn new things and that's the beauty of it all right away is indeed meanwhile we have this bizarre situation in the united states we have more people in prison than any other country in the world in terms of absolute numbers or per capita numbers and when you get more people in prison per capita than burma i mean you know like you know the north korea we have more people in prison per capita than north korea and they're proud to be a police state we have one hundred one million five hundred seventy thousand inmates we all we have in. country one million high school teachers we got more inmates than high school teachers we only have fifteen million five hundred. five hundred thirty thousand engineers we have eight hundred eight hundred fifteen thousand construction workers it being an inmate was a job right now it would be the number one job in america how can this be right
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anybody i'm afraid i can't i can't argue for that we do have a problem when i think we do need to rethink how we. can decriminalization. and cetera because what we do is remain your factory in criminals because what happens you know we. look at what's happening in the african-american community looking at how people have you know with tiny just a tiny bit of marijuana on them you know stuck in prison felons and they're permanent permanent tax consumers not tax producers always dependent and this is one of the greatest untold stories we should say grace one of the worse untold stories out there and i think we as a society really have to think about what this is a war on drugs. richard nixon's war on drugs just come to an end if i can add to that michael one of the major reasons why the war on drugs has gone on steroids in the last ten years why we now have minimum mandatory sentences and three strikes
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you're out was is because private prison companies are lobbying for the way we have turned part of our commons over to a for profit industry is that right i don't think that's right to be very honest because you're perpetuating a problem not for the right reasons it's more so for these companies personal gain and not understanding the effect that it's having to the individuals that they're present that they're imprisoning their families their communities things like that i'm not wholeheartedly you know in favor of removing the mandatory minimums i don't they're not effective they have not worked on dealing with the drug problem we have here in the united states and so i think we need to repeal it we need to figure out why people are engaged in the activities that they are engaged in whether. it's because they live in poverty they don't think any other opportunities for themselves to get out of poverty so they turn to drugs whether it's the felling of drugs or the youth or drug to deal with their situation and for some people it's a medical problem i mean there are some people who are just you know they're addicts and it shouldn't be treated by police it should be treated by physicians
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and i mean i you know i'm a law and order kind of guy so why do you know take this seriously when i say that there have been studies done which find that it's cheaper to give these people treatment than to send them to prison and to give them incarceration and a lot more humane half of all federal prison prisoners in this country right now are for drug offenses obviously some of them need to stay there and we can't i think there are certain drugs that need to stay illegal but you're talking about applying a mandatory minimum on your second possession of marijuana your second time but that's i'm saying there's something wrong with the system where we're you know locking people up for in some cases years and years and so so nobody shot and you know anybody else here so we'll move on federal budget office our office of management and budget is released a new report highlighting some of the lesser known costs of the republican fuel government shutdown some of these cars include the small business administration being unable to process seven hundred applications worth one hundred forty million dollars in loans for small businesses the republicans say they're low but though they shut down the shutdown of national parks costing a half a billion dollars in lost visitors spending no other national oceanic and
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atmospheric administration been unable to hand out fishing permits to those small business people who are fishermen and women can't go you know i just goes on and on and it's like you know now that we've had a chance to look at this shouldn't the republicans be the ones on t.v. apologizing instead of the president i think everybody needs to apologize i mean you know the debate is over there is a shutdown to go we have ok so you have the republicans were trying to repeal the individual mandate or delay an individual mandate we're trying to get a law and they voted on fifty three times that they'll be each time the last request was for a delay in the individual mandate so that individuals would have the same they would have the same relief the business is now get now i don't ask you what. this is just all the instance the implementation of obamacare will do the website is doing that on its own but unfortunately the individual mandate still getting a lot of. the numbers that we had a burgeoning forces well the thing i mean you know the last recourse actually was for a lot of the fed i mean there was there was like we were through the list one time
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in this program there were thirty eight or forty two different things that republicans would go out of the floor and said i want this or i'm going to keep those i want to shut down the sky started with repeal. so there was there was there was gamesmanship going on on both sides and this reckless i think i don't think we're going to find anybody here is going to question that the government shutdown ended up not working ended up being i mean just speaking even politically as a republican it was a disaster i think you can maybe pin a tiny bit of the blame to ken cuccinelli is lost even on that possibly the news media believe but i will say this too i do find it a little rich that a lot of progressives are suddenly you know tight minded about how we're spending money suddenly they're worried about the fact that the government wasted money over a period of time you know two billion concerned about believe me you know you will you know you are on house and i think a i'll tell you what the two billion that we sit on those government workers not working which was indeed wasted money and that's a problem why don't we have a two billion dollars cut tomorrow why don't we take it out of you know duplicative programs government waste fraud something of that there's plenty of places to cut i
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think rich why don't we broadly has been pretty much burned i mean if you what you want to waste and fraud if you look at the big corporations in america there's there's a mind boggling amount of waste for it look at the pay look at you know the contractors in the pentagon budget look at these companies we can tell you know the wasteful no bid contract you know it's a good idea. so we'll go in contracts no bid contracts or filibuster reform is back democratic senators are becoming increasingly frustrated with republicans use the filibuster i met harry reid in las vegas about a year and a half ago i was a keynote speaker me and james carville to speak at a conference that he was speaking at and we were in a small room talking and he said. lyndon johnson was senate majority. for six years he's i've been senate majority leader for six years lyndon johnson had one filibuster i've had over four hundred no speak no majority leader in the united states senate in the history of this country has had to deal with more than forty
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fifty sixty i forget the number but it's less than a hundred filibusters in during his tenure i mean this is this is just absolutely bizarre. what do we do about this only harry reid is you're right he's in a special club all of his own because primarily he's been the most obstructionist senate majority leader in history he's filed more requests for cloture and filled the tree more times which is kind of an obscure legislator taking technique to shut off debate that he's done them more and you know there's a majority leader that three times over right but you're still cutting off debate he's not letting any of the house bills come up for debate at all he didn't pass a budget for four years so you're right i agree the filibuster has been abused it was abused by democrats during the bush administration as being somewhat agree is now hundred it's a problem it's that all against all of us did all of them all of our great legislation and something something made a good point what about the budget i mean how is it that the senate you know the senate passed a budget seven months ago it's been sitting on john boehner desk he refuses to bring it to the floor for a vote for two years before that for that's what happened for four years before
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that i don't know i honestly don't know i was there i. recall your thought yeah i the thing is that i think you know i'm not opposed to reforming the whole filibuster thing and i mean that the number well i don't know about the nucular option because that just has other ramifications but. what you know you guys need to like they just need to he wants things to go to a vote i think let the people in this you know let the senators vote on it i don't see what the harm is in doing that be careful though because look at rand paul's filibuster in that turned out to be a very positive thing both progressive the people you're a liberal here she was i was a speech. that. he was cold thanks a lot for the thank you so much for. coming out modern science treats a.d.h. d. like a disease but it could actually be could actually be an evolutionary adaptation all ask serious older and dr alan lipman insights conversations the great minds after
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the break. think. i would rather ask questions to people in positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on our t.v. question for. i know c.n.n. the m s n b c news have taken some not slightly but the fact is i admired their commitment to cover all sides of the story just in case one of them happens to be accurate. that was funny but it's closer to the truth and i
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think. it's because one fall attention and the mainstream media works side by side the joke is actually on here. and our teen years we have a different approach. because the news of the world just is not this funny i'm not laughing dammit i'm not how. he got us into the jokes will handle the day except that. this is my angel whenever i'm feeling a little low and one of the role is i still can't believe that i should open doors to. my first she says. try to be good for. the good fortune
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maybe the hope of those even maybe i'm very pro level so that these wars are allowed to be in your body or. i feel a lot of them are. welcome to devise conversations with great minds dr alan lipman and sorry sold it after ellen levin is a clinical psychologist in private practice in new york an international speaker and has been involved with its spectrum of attentional disorders for over twenty five years in private practice dr letson focuses on the high i.q. adult addles adolescent a.d.h. d. populations she specializes in identifying and treating complex presentations of a.d.h. may be misinterpreted or overlooked she's also the co-author of the book understanding girls with eighty h.t. sorry solon is a psycho think psycho therapist who has worked with individuals couples in groups
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with a.d.h. the adults for over twenty five years she's also prominent in the national keynote speaker and trains and consults with other mental health professionals in assessing and counseling adults with a ph d. series also the author of the books journeys through adulthood discovery a new sense of identity and meaning with attention to deficit disorder and the book women with attention deficit disorder which is also now available in spanish and all digital formats ellen litman serviceable but right now great to have him yes. i've known you both for a while i don't care if you know when you're in the go so just reveal this to our audience and as such both of you have absolutely fascinating personal stories that brought you to this and i'm. to the extent that you might want to talk about it. or what you're doing what you're about to. start with well yeah i was searching for what was different about me my whole life basically and right around the time i met you i was working at a counseling agency for
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a special program for adults with learning disabilities and i started saying a lot of people and it was right around the early ninety's when i started to understand that maybe there was something with attention also why i wrote my book and what was so interesting for me personally and professionally was that the women all told the same story that no matter if they had the same organizational retention problems as the men the women had said shame and pain about not being able to meet those cultural gender role expectations and that's really what propelled me to write that book and to focus on that for the last twenty five years and in the process i did get diagnosed and did get helped through medication to stay awake you know we talk about the stereotype you know little boy hyperactive acting out but millions of women are not understood and not helped because they can barely even stay awake. the girls are massively under day are you there and they're not bother anybody they're people they're not bothering anybody
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and often that they. are after college when they cannot and will no longer be able to keep up with the demands even if they're really smart so they don't have to watch it later and this is your practice this is what you do what drew your attention interest. my specialty is girls and women i was originally looking into a situation that would explain my son's behavior who had a very high i.q. but also had trouble sitting still started attending conferences. argued with the present there who said the girls were want to be. because i had seen him because he has seen lots of girls that do not present like boys but the diagnostic criteria based on young boys young hyperactive boys so our criteria and it up being about hyperactivity and so girls who are not hyperactive
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and more inattentive were being missed and now i think that what they're finding is that for adults it's one to one male to female so it's not yet one to one with girls or ideally it will be when we get even better at diagnosing and we've come a long way from. the seventy's and the hyperkinetic syndrome and find gold and it's all you know. number sixty nine or something so let's let's actually start with some definitions probably should start there to begin with what is. ok. well we know definitively now that it's a neuro biological disorder it's a difference in brain wiring i don't call it the disorder i think it's a horrible name that it has because it's just a difference and it's people self regulate in
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a different way they respond to stimuli in the environment in a different way and it's on a continuum and everyone has some of those symptoms and when it gets in your way then it's a problem and then maybe you seek help and that gets in your way part of the surgery that's a big part of it isn't it because to go through the diagnostic criteria in front of just any random group of people i mean if you go to a bruce springsteen concert just let me tell you for three minutes most of the people who are going to raise their hand and say that's me but they're not necessarily every problem and that's why it's so easily dismissed as everybody this is their keys and everybody understands this but it's. degree it's a very. this and it's getting in the way obviously you've always talked about finding the right environment and that is what you want what you want to do and i tell everybody whether you take medication or not the point is to make it easier
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for you to be who you are to embrace who you are to accept your differences so i think it's a false you know thing you have blessing medication not if you're suffering internally a lot of adults just are suffering it's difficult to live with for some people with this severe pulls and pushes and not being able to manifest who they are to their pain underachievement so treatment is really not about getting over you are conforming it's about understanding we all have different and how can we help you find a life that works for you that's how we view it now well and in this with this medication medication thing you know. back in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine published his book why your child is hyperactive and he asserted that it was just food. and you know the reason i run in a community for abused kids at that time and we had thirty eight kids we put about to find one of them responded and that kid had really bad psoriasis and find gold was a dermatologist you know so he was dealing with
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a population that was dermatological a challenge so yeah you know some kids actually you know but it's such a minority and some kids respond really well the medication others some kids and same with adults what's what's the current state of thinking i'm curious from both of you what's the current state of thinking. the evolution of medications we've gone from just the old you know i mean arguably it was benzedrine in the fifty's to you know to where we are now. eleanor mr they haven't gone much further they've refined those things but there's basically. really one based drugs and there is. and. you know which is. sort of related to that. and there's stimulants and i mean i would be lying if i didn't say that the research does say that it works and that any intervention is more successful if you're also using medication
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but that being said. at least half the people in my practice choose not to use medication there are so many other interventions the more psycho education that you have the more that you understand how your brain works and the neurotransmitters that you're trying to balance there are so many ways that stimulation can be used to actually not just treat it but actually where you will thrive and is so i lean towards going with the strengths and weaknesses profile and there's a lot of ways to find a good fit between someone and their universe without medication these stimulant drugs primarily kick up. the neuro transmitters so suit with everything from cocaine to caffeine right for that spectral stimulant drugs there are other things that will kick up dope you know being happy kicks up trouble and being excited
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being enthusiastic being frightened i mean there's drinking caffeine. this is the situational stuff that means it's individual for some people they can't get into that kind of positive cycle that is our hope for all those people until they get that kick start and for some people they just need that along with the support and the guidance to find a life that works and does kick in their mean and keep them more stimulated and get the support they need so that they can thrive yeah i think that you used to use the metaphor of glasses some people use their swords but a man some pretty difficult situation to live with internally you know we're going to jail drugs you've got your glasses on you can see exactly but then you can see where you. let it go and you can see what you need and for some people they're going to their brain is just too sleepy or just something just like i feel like antidepressants really some people are going to need to be on that for a long time some people don't need it for ever but it's just one part of the puzzle
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but it's often necessary but not sufficient so situationally do you deal differently with. with the in your practice the people you're what you work with siri do you deal differently with people who present as the hyperactive form people who present as the more passive form of. psychotherapy basically everybody's been hurt most people i deal with have not been diagnosed till adulthood they bring a lot of wounds with them that they're still dealing with and my goal is is to help them heal those wounds to understand what those wounds are when they're reactivated now and what's really going on with them before they can even start to attempt to construct a life that works often they just have to figure out who. integrate these sort of just kind of parts of themselves so it takes a while before some of that shame and avoidance and withdraw all those secondary effects is really what we see a lot of if you're just dealing with
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a. band you're doing pretty good it's usually about adults by this time i've accumulated so many confuse sense of who they are you know what they're good at. my second grade teacher going i mean you know it's like all of this stuff ellen what what do you see is the most useful therapeutic. think that being a linear thinker is probably overrated and you know so i think that the idea of these medications helping you be more normal is not necessarily the goal i mean i don't have to tell you that there's you know we need hunters in the world this is we need farmers in the world so. it's more about reframing the way you see yourself i mean people see themselves with a lot of shame and say make me normal and that's not at all the goal the goal is like this is the way you do it and this is not the way other people do it but is
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that ok is that acceptable it is acceptable the only thing that really works is what works for you. and the more that people can embrace that and sort of just celebrate that their brains are different the more you know they're willing to you know just go with the idea that non-linear thinker you know come up with like the coolest ideas because you know they put together associations that linear thinkers don't always see as been you know a lot of amazing people and over history who think in a non-linear way and they move the world ahead to. that and that you know because that reminds me people coming to see me nobody says i just want to be more of who i am i also you know i want to get over who i am i want to get over this case of terminal uniqueness they want and that's why i talk about. minority mental health issue that was my original actual focus was minority mental health across cultural counseling and i think i've been successful in this because as i've always viewed
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you when you go to a conference you see that i want to drill into more of the nice conversations of great minds of doctors and serious soul. dramas the true. story others. since trying. to make sure. i think. they would like to do it if you did you know the price is the only industry specifically mention in the constitution and. that's because
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the names and welcome back to conversations of the great minds i'm speaking with dr alan lipman in surrey sold and dr lipman a clinical psychologist who's been involved in the spectrum of attentional disorders for over twenty five years series sold him a psychotherapist who has worked with individuals couples and groups with a t.h.d. for over twenty five years let's go back to it first of all siri you were talking about used a phrase during the brain. that i had heard in a long time actually i'm not sure i've ever heard of. nerve bigotry of neural profiling. it was exciting because i know this summer in detroit where i'm from and
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five miles from where i grew up in downtown detroit happened to be the same week as the trayvon martin verdict and so i came full circle because that was my original study of focus was minority mental health and i realized that so many of my clients were painted with such a broad brush on the surface disorganization and not really see what's underneath them and same thing obviously with any kind of profiling bigotry but as a therapist what i'm interested in is what happens as a result whether it's women or men with differences what i see happening is. a minority we have learned from the culture and. values people or other minorities realize that's not me and so they idealize those things and internalize those things they compare themselves to that because i needed to account for the terrible oppression that i see in my clients even if their families weren't telling them they were bad somewhere along the way the culture is telling them what is good and what is valuable and that's just like you know you see documentaries about little
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you know african-american girls who are picking out. being good and that's what i see the. women do a logical very very. cultural diversity gender sexual preferences i see diversity is the next big fight for acceptance for differences. you know there's a big movement in the asperger's community about that to diversity. and there he wrote this book called diagnosing jefferson it's amazing because he goes through. jefferson biography and i read that book and i'm convinced jefferson street which is older. started in that. that in the artistic community and now they start right about neuro diversity which talks about you know bracing all differences even though we still help people who are suffering we still how about better but to not acknowledge eyes or demonize while it's arguably it's this it's
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kind of a variation. to say it's a variation on affirmative action it's kind of like this you know like yeah it's like saying you know ok you've been dissed long enough you know. we're going to acknowledge your own pride right ok that's good stuff now ellen you work with high i.q. kids i was my life was saved by spock i was six or seven years old when sputnik one and we all had this satellite going over our heads going to be an eisenhower went nuts and said ok we're going to fund programs for gifted kids and i got pulled out of the public school actually in the school pulled out of my classroom along with another friend of mine and a couple of other kids and put in this fast track for grades two three four five and six and by the time i was done with sixth grade i was you know had two languages i was doing math the calculus i was reading that bloody i don't want so i can break it but then the vietnam war started and all the funding for that one away
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and by the time i was in junior high school i was going down in flames and my brothers were hitting school who were just as smart as i was and were being given i mean you know it seems like there was a time in this country when we actually funded special education for gifted kids that pretty much doesn't happen anymore and and it seems to me that there might even be an element of a lot of kids who are being diagnosed as a.d.h. d. wants this year are just bore i mean so can i just i just threw a whole bunch of stuff as you want to i'd love to get on with it. ok so. there's so much overlap between and giftedness this so many of the behaviors are very similar so you know what the differences is how annoying do your parents or the teachers find you i mean it's essentially the difference in terms of who gets
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them. well and whether it's pathology rise to whether it's celebrated. so the point is that. there's a developmental delay in so some behaviors that are required for more linear thinking and for doing schoolwork are acquired later so a really gifted kid with a.d.d. is intellectually maybe three years beyond their peers and socially and emotionally about three years be behind their peers so that's a huge discrepancy that really no one can make sense of the child can't make sense of it that stressful for them they don't fit in anywhere they like to talk to adults they play with younger kids. you know teachers don't understand if you're so smart why did you leave your backpack in the middle of the room. and it's a great frustration to everybody they think that if people are gifted they're like oh good smart we don't have to deal with that but that needs addressing just this
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much as you know any other kinds of symptoms that they need to be stimulated and so a lot of what you're seeing i agree with you totally is a mind that has not been. roused intellectually and when it is they can focus as well as the next person. so it's really i mean i think to me that is something that we're really we're probably you know there were over diagnosing and you know in some cases probably under diagnosing but. that is really the group that won't ask for help won't be identified because they're not necessarily disruptive but they're bored. and they are frustrated and they withdraw. or you know they get in trouble just because they're bored story of my child. yeah and you know and i see a lot of this in adults i work in a university town so i have a lot of really really smart or talented i don't get talented people who are very
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creative people who could do great things but also though have this huge split like they have all these talents but they have either a learning disability or they have problems the tension and the terrible demoralization and frustration of not being able to manifest and not be able to describe tell people all the great thoughts you have it's a really huge split and that is a different condition than just having one or the other having both of those is is something you can't even find a peer group you hide your gifts when you're with people who have the same challenges and when you're with people who have strengths you know they don't understand why you have these challenges are you really caught in a narrow box so let's talk about the ecology for a minute. if you were to. use business as a. i mean nobody in their right mind would suggest as the new c.e.o. of pepsi cola for example i'm going to take the most promising division of my
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company number to fund it one percent and i'm going to take the least promising division of my company and throw eighty percent of my resources and it seems like that's what we're doing with education and that's not to say that you know kids who are struggling are the least potentially productive many of them probably the most of them have a tremendous potential that needs to be brought out but that that those it seems to me like in america we're leaving an enormous amount of potential on the floor and they don't do that in finland they don't do that and singapore what what are what are we missing how do we fix this at the educational level how do we fix this in the workplace how do we fix this relationship so we fix this. well we've got six minutes before the baby is your. but it's it's a me and for conformity which is so unfortunate because that takes all the outliers all the kids that are not directly under the bell curve and saying you're different but in a bad way and you know there's been just
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a move towards greater and greater demands for conformity and girls and women are i think even more sensitive to that then males so there's a lot of shame and withdraw all i'm different and i shouldn't be involved but when they get to men especially when they get to the point of being out in the world if they survive school in some way they then they're they can be the risk takers they're you know and they can come up with ideas that are outside of the box and they're not afraid so there's some really great options for moving ahead with life if you get through the narrow constraints of our educational system the star and there are. there are some i mean you're writing across afghanistan on the camels. you know there are some women who step out and say yes i'll do that but society
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tells women don't do that you know. whether you know you i mean you are an amazing role model we can talk about you personally you know you just said ok that was that is he having people that you can identify with who are not just those normal kind of role models leaves a lot of us out so having you know models like what happened to you finding a good fit you were already successful in what you were doing but you were not valued as much as you needed to be and you had had not been able to express all that you have inside of you and brilliancy you have and you found an amazing venue for yourself you are a wonderful role model for people with these kind of differences but you've gotten support to be able to do that. yeah and actually i would say if i had married you with that's when that's what i was doing what we don't have wives and we can't we all you women don't have as much support so that we can just start you know and let our gifts but not so much so you want to so should somebody i mean by
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experience as somebody who would self identify and self diagnosis i mean. and i have since i've known about it. is that by marrying somebody who is very solid and stable and that pays attention to details it has kept me anchored to the world when the balloon starts flying off how does a woman do that particularly when a lot of women never even let anybody know that they're. popular we have just one minute well the idea is that women unfortunately have to do the job of organizing themselves and everyone else i do suggest to all of them that they find a wife themselves because you don't have to be good at everything but women feel like they have to be that wife kind of thing yes absolutely i reason why you have to be good at everything i mean so you know luis is organized and ten think in a more linear way so i mean that isn't a deficit you think in a different way and the complimentary nature of the relationship is fabulous so i
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think that it's just finding someone who can you know keep you tethered and then the other person can feel free to use their gifts in a different direction or even through the stuff like the book keeping in the house keeping them all right very somebody who respects each of them that have a polarizing or someone as a parent. thank you so much is now it's great. to see this and other conversations that great minds go to our website conversations of great minds dot com and that's the way it is the night friday november eighth two thousand and thirteen by the way my latest book the crash of twenty sixteen is sitting bookstores this week billable for purchase of all online retailers and the local bookstore or library and don't forget the. not perceive begins when you get out there get back into your life.
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